Avista (NYSE: AVA) Q4 2018 Earnings Conference CallFeb. 8, 2019 10:30 a.m. ET
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Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Good morning and welcome to the fourth-quarter 2018 earnings conference call. My name is Brandon, and I will be your operator for today. [Operator instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. And I will now turn it over to Jason Lang.
You may begin, sir.
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Jason Lang — Manager of Investor Relations
Thank you, Brandon. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Avista’s fourth-quarter and fiscal-year 2018 earnings conference call. Our earnings were released premarket this morning and are available on our website.
Joining me this morning are Avista Corp. Chairman of the Board and CEO Scott Morris, Senior Vice President and CFO Mark Thies, Avista Corp. President Dennis Vermillion, Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer Kevin Christie, and Vice President and Controller Ryan Krasselt. I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements that will be made today are forward-looking statements that involve assumptions, risks, and uncertainties, which are subject to change.
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For reference to the various factors, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed in today’s call, please refer to our 10-K for 2017 and 10-Q for the third quarter of 2018, which are available on our website. To begin this presentation, I would like to recap the financial results presented in today’s press release. Our consolidated earnings for the fourth quarter of 2018 were $0.70 per diluted share, compared to $0.42 for the fourth quarter of 2017. For the full year, consolidated earnings were $2.07 per diluted share for 2018, compared to $1.79 last year.
Now I’ll turn the discussion over to Scott.
Scott Morris — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
Well, thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. To start off, I want to express my deepest gratitude to everyone, who worked with us on the Hydro One transaction over the last 18 months. Throughout this process, we were able to achieve remarkable collaboration with the various parties involved, including the staff in Washington, Idaho and Oregon, public counsel in Washington as well as the parties in Montana and Alaska, just to name a few. And because of this joint effort by all parties, we were able to reach agreements that were unprecedented in our industry.
We were committed to ensuring the transaction would best serve the interest of our stakeholders, and the agreements reflected this commitment. And while we’re disappointed that we were not successful in obtaining timely regulatory approval, I want to celebrate the tremendous effort by everyone involved. The agreements that we reached, emphasized our values. And as a company — and as who we are as a company, dedicated to innovative thinking and serving the interest of all our stakeholders, our customers, our employees, our communities, and our shareholders.
The agreements reached contain unprecedented safeguards and outstanding benefits to all our stakeholders. We believe the agreements would have allowed us to operate as an independent utility and continue to provide the same level of service. Hydro One would have been a great partner. We enjoyed collaborating with their employees on the transaction, and I want to thank all of them for their outstanding effort over the past 18 months, and we wish them well in the future.
Lastly, I want to thank our employees, who never let this transaction distract them from providing safe and reliable energy and unequal dedication to our customers and our communities. And even though the transaction was not completed, we believe that Avista is well-positioned and we look forward to building on our nearly 130-year legacy. Looking ahead, we like our strategy, and we remain focused on running a great utility and continue to invest prudent capital to maintain and update our infrastructure and provide reliable energy services to our customers. And to facilitate the timely recovery of our costs, including capital investments that are not included in our current rates, we expect to file general rate cases in Washington, Idaho, and Oregon in the first half of 2019, with requested effective dates in early 2020.
And in addition, to continue prudent capital expenditures at the utility, we expect to invest about $19 million at our other businesses in 2019. This is mainly related to economic development projects in our service territory that will showcase the latest energy and environmental building innovations and house several local college degree programs.Looking back to 2018, we’re pleased with our earnings results. Avista Utilities and AEL&P had earnings that were above our expectations. We’re initiating our 2019 earnings guidance with a consolidated range of $2.78 to $2.98 per diluted share, which includes $1.01 per diluted share for the termination fee received from Hydro One and the payment of remaining transaction cost.
So at this time, I’m going to turn it over to Mark.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Scott. Good morning, everyone. I always like to start out with my hockey reference. Blackhawks have won six in a row and we’re back into playoff discussion, so things are looking up.
For the fourth quarter of 2018, Avista Utilities contributed $0.66 per diluted share, compared to $0.44 last year. For the full year, Avista Utilities was $2.04 per diluted share, an increase from $1.77 last year. The increase in the fourth quarter and in the year to date was primarily due to general rate increases, customer growth, and a decrease in transaction costs spent in ’18 versus the costs in ’17, partially offset by increased costs, interest and depreciation, and operation and maintenance. As Scott said, we continue to be committed to invest necessary capital in our utility infrastructure, and we expect Avista Utilities’ capital to be about $405 million and AEL&P’s capital to be around $9 million in 2019.
For liquidity, in January, we received $103 million termination fee from Hydro One for the purpose of reimbursing our transaction costs, including related income taxes. And we had $51 million of these costs incurred from 2017 to 2019. The balance of the termination fee will be used for general corporate purposes and reduces our need for external financing. In 2019, we expect to issue $165 million of long-term debt and up to $50 million of equity in order to finance — to refinance maturing long-term debt, fund our planned capital, and maintain an appropriate capital structure.
I want to spend a little bit of time on our earnings guidance this year and just to be — just to make sure things are clear, Scott mentioned we’re initiating guidance to be in the $2.78 to $2.98 per diluted share, which includes $1.01 per diluted share related to the termination fee and related costs. Due in part to the ongoing regulatory proceedings for the Hydro One transaction for the past 18 months, we elected not to file general rate cases in ’18, so the commissions could focus and their staff could focus on the merger proceedings. While we received a base rate increase effective January 1 in Idaho related to a two-year plan that we had approved in ’17, we have not had base rate relief in Oregon since November of ’17 and Washington since May of ’18. And during ’17 and ’18, we continue to invest in our utility infrastructure to maintain and enhance our system and only limited portions of these costs are reflected in current rates to customers.
As such, we expect to incur regulatory lag through — from — through ’19 through ’21 due to the delay in our rate case filings. We plan to file rate cases in Washington, Idaho, and Oregon in the first half of 2019 with requested effective dates in early 2020 to begin remedying the regulatory lag. Going forward, we’ll continue to strive to reduce the timing lag and more closely align our earned returns with those authorized by 2022. To achieve this, we anticipate an earnings growth rate of 9% to 10% from 2020 to 2022.
We’re using 2019 as a base, but we’re also removing the termination fee from that. So if you look at our guidance, you take out the $1.01 termination fee and then that based for the utility is what we’re growing at the 9% to 10% from 2020 to 2022 and then our normal 4% to 5% growth rate beyond 2022. And again, this assumes timely and appropriate rate relief in each of our jurisdictions. Our 2019 earnings guidance encompasses unrecovered structural costs that reduces our return on equity by approximately 90 basis points.
And in addition, our 2019 guidance includes regulatory timing lag estimated to reduce the return on equity by approximately 105 basis points, which results in an expected return on equity for Avista Utilities of approximately 7.5% in 2019. We expect Avista Utilities to contribute in the range of $2.72 to $2.86 per diluted share in ’19, which includes $1.01 again per diluted share of the termination fee received from Hydro One and offset by the payment of remaining transaction costs. The midpoint of our guidance does not include any expense or benefit under the ERM in Washington. Our current expectation for the ERM is to be in a benefit position with 90% customer, 10% company-sharing band, which is expected to add $0.07 a share per diluted share.
Our outlook for Avista Utilities assumes normal precipitation, temperatures and hydroelectric generation for the year. For 2019, we expect AEL&P to contribute in the range of $0.09 to $0.13 per diluted share and our outlook for AEL&P also assumes normal precipitation and hydroelectric generation for the year. We expect our other businesses to be between a loss of $0.03 and a loss of $0.01 per diluted share, which includes costs associated with exploring strategic opportunities. Our guidance generally includes only normal operating conditions and does not include unusual items, such as settlement transactions or acquisitions or dispositions until the effects are known.
So I’ll now turn the call back over to Jason.
Jason Lang — Manager of Investor Relations
Thanks, Mark. Brandon, we’d like to open the call up for questions.
Questions and Answers:
Operator
Thank you. [Operator instructions] And from ExodusPoint, we have Andrew Levi. Please go ahead.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
Hi, guys. Can you hear me?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yes, we can, Andy.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
How are you? Long time.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Good. Yourself? Yes, long time.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
[Inaudible] Welcome back. Just a couple of questions, if you don’t mind. First, just on the balance sheet, because I see you do — issuing $50 million, where should your — I guess, whether we focus on — I don’t know if you’re more focused on the equity ratio at the utility or your FFO to debt, but can you kind of just talk about that, where are you going to be at the end of the year and what metrics you’re focused on and where — what the metrics should be?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
So, what we strive to do is maintain a prudent capital structure and achieve an equity ratio for our jurisdictions that is in line with what’s allowed or authorized by each of our commissions, and those vary by jurisdiction. But that’s how we look at how much equity we need to raise in a given year and so that’s really the metrics that we look at. We also look at our FFO on our rating agencies to make sure that we are maintaining investment grade, strong investment grade credit ratings and that takes part of it, but the level of equity really is designed to maintain the equity ratio for our utility jurisdictions.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
I understand. So, again, I didn’t look at your balance sheet, I apologize. But so, I guess, looking at where you are at year end and then you had the $100 million coming [Inaudible] tax from that, whatever it was, but between that and the $50 million that kind of gets you where your equity ratio need to be on a regulatory basis. And then as you look in the ’20 and ’21, can you give us any guidance there on how we should kind of be modeling the equity, if there is any?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
We haven’t really given, Andy — we haven’t really given guidance on what we need for equity there. A lot of that, we continue to — depends on our — as we continue to deploy capital and what type of relief we get from our jurisdictions. So we give that on an annual basis. We historically don’t give that — farther than that.
We can consider that in future calls, but we have not done that.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
Got it. And then just to make sure — I mean, you were pretty clear on the guidance, but so we are using $1.88 midpoint and then we take the $1.88 and grow that 9%, 10% every year or is that only in 2020 that we grow off of 2020 9%, 10%?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Again this takes — this takes some relief in our jurisdictions but that’s annual growth — that’s an annual growth rate to allow us to get back to earning our allowed return by the end of ’21 and end of ’22.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
But is that off the $1.88 in ’19 or off what you ever, what you earn in 2020?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I think it’s a $1.87 — $1.87, $1.88, yes.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
OK.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yes.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
OK. So $1.87 — OK. So that has you chugging around $2 in 2020 and — hold on. Sorry.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
You can do the math, Andy.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
Yes, yes. OK. So it’s, I guess, two $2.20 type number for ’20 and ’21. OK.
So, that’s very, very clear. And that assumes, what type — just on the rate relief portion, would you be filing for like kind of larger cases than you have in the past, because of the lag and lack of filings or how should we think about the size of the cases?
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
Hi, Andy. This is Kevin Christie. We’ll be moving forward. We need to finalize our numbers and get a better handle on exactly what the filings will look like both on the electric and gas side in each jurisdiction.
But we are making up for rate lag, timing lag related to capital that we do not have in rates yet. So, we can’t share our number with you right now, but that’s what we’re going to be doing as we move forward assuming that we get support from our commissions.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
OK. You guys were very clear. I really appreciate it and I guess that you guys will be up in Boston for Julian’s thing?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I don’t know. I know that’s coming up. I don’t know for what conferences —
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
Yes, come on. Come to the conference. Come on we got to meet with you. Time to get back on the road, but thank you very much.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Andy.
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
Yes.
Operator
From KeyBanc, we have Paul Ridzon. Please go ahead.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
Thank you. So, in your third quarter you said you needed about $110 million of equity. You’re getting $52 million from the breakup fee and now you are telling us you only need $50 million kind of what backfill deal — was it just the strength of 2018 where that finally came out?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
No. There was, so if you recall, Andy — Paul, sorry. Got to get to my next question. Sorry, Paul.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
Oh, man. Man, that hurt.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I know I apologize, Paul, that’s — I apologize. So, when we had our guidance last year in the third quarter, we were assuming that the transaction would close in the year in 2018. With the closure of that transaction, there was significant other costs associated with the transaction, which would have reduced our equity and we would have needed more of an infusion from Hydro One to balance our capital structure. So those costs didn’t occur, right, because we didn’t [Inaudible]
Paul Ridzon — Paul Ridzon
That’s the rate relief that you would have booked?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
No, it’s not rate relief. It’s equity. It was an equity contribution and we had expenses associated with the transaction that we would have had to pay at that time and they didn’t occur, so that was included in our equity needs last year in that $110 million. So right now, this is the equity we need.
And we got the termination payment less of fees and then we expect to issue an additional $50 million this year to balance our capital structure.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
Got it. And then, just a little confused on wording and I got more confused after the last question. The 9% to 10% earnings growth is ’20 to ’22 or is that ’19 to ’22? So I am trying to get the —
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
’19 is the base year, right. And then you will grow in ’20, ’21 and ’22.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
But between ’19 and ’20, is that — does that also incorporate the 9% to 10%?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yes. It does. It’s an annual growth.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
OK.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
An annual growth rate.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
The way you phrase it — the release said ’20 to ’22, so I wasn’t sure what’s the bridge between ’19 and ’20, but thank you for the clarification. That’s helpful.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
And kind of that other — you’re exploring other opportunities, can you give us some flavor? Is that all energy related and energy efficiency type of stuff that you’ve explored in the past?
Scott Morris — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
Yes. Yes, Paul. This is Scott. Yes.
We are looking at some opportunities around — primarily around distribution, automation, innovation, and some other things that we have our engineering teams and others working on. There are some interesting things out there in the marketplace, so we will continue to investigate some of those.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
Thank you very much.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Paul.
Operator
And from Glenrock Associates, we have Paul Patterson. Please go ahead.
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
Hey. Good morning.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Good morning, Paul.
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
A lot of questions are answered, but just want to touch base on a few of these things. The ROE, the 90 basis point structural deficit, so to speak, you don’t see any change in that, is that correct?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
No, we expect that — that’s been historically there for a long time. It went up a little bit. It used to be a little lower but because of Tax Reform we get less of a tax benefit from it. So at the end of the day those costs didn’t really change, but it ended up being slightly higher.
I think we used to have it at 70 basis points or 80 basis points and now its 90 basis points, but that’s all due to Tax Reform.
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
And you don’t see that changing over the next few years?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
No. Those costs are kind of historic —
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
OK.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Most of them — mix up primarily as executive incentives, board of directors costs, and —
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
I understand. I got you. But then the just sort of looking forward here, I mean, you guys obviously went through a major transaction effort, any sort of thought we should have in terms of lessons learned or the outlook in the future for possible combinations or activity that you would like to share with us.
Scott Morris — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
What I would say is this is that the Hydro One deal was an extraordinary opportunity for all of our stakeholders. I mentioned that the safeguards that we were able to get were unprecedented in the industry. We got tremendous value for our shareholders, but we also got tremendous values for our customers, our employees, and our communities. Being a utility that operates in five states and having some of those states being net-benefit states, it’s extremely challenging to do anything in our states.
And you have to be very focused and have to have an absolute commitment to all four legs of those that stool to get anything accomplished in our five states. And even having unprecedented safeguards and value, it still was not accepted. So we will continue to work really hard on our strategies. We like our future and we’re going to continue to stay focused on what we need to do to move this company forward.
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
Nonetheless, it was kind of an unusual situation with the sort of political developments in Canada and I’m just wondering that seem to factor somewhat, I would say, perhaps, not insignificantly in the regulatory outcome. So, I guess, what I’m wondering is does that sort of — does that mean that you might, again, pursue something like that perhaps without the potential political issues?
Scott Morris — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
We — I don’t want to speculate, because we really need to stay focused on what we want to do to get this company back on track from the regulatory lag perspective. I can just say that in — we operate in five states with some very different political agendas right now from — particularly from an energy perspective. So, you have got Washington and Oregon very different from Idaho and Montana, and Alaska is different there. So there’s a lot going on multiple levels not just from a regulatory perspective, but from an environmental perspective, from a community expectation perspective.
And all of that has to be added into any kind of thing that we do in regards to doing something successfully from a regulatory perspective and getting it approved. So, while yes there was an agenda in Toronto that was disappointing for us and how it turned out, I would just say that it’s a challenging environment no matter what we do in five states, given the diverse ideas and objectives of our stakeholders.
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
OK. Great. And then, just finally on the 2019 regulatory filings, after those filings, after this initial Feb 2019 filings. What is your expectation for going in for rate relief during this forecast period that you laid out for? In another words how many times — in other words how many times, I mean, like you guys said that you are holding back basically during the Hydro One merger.
After this initial fillings, what do — how should we think about it going forward? Do you follow me? I mean what — how often do you expect to be back in the regulatory arena after this first initial set of filings?
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
This is Kevin Christie. Due to the rules within each state, it varies. We’d expect to need to be back in Washington somewhat soon after the next case. In Idaho, yet to be determined.
Oregon, we have to work through what our fillings looks like this time around and then we’ll go from there.
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
OK. Thanks so much.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Paul.
Operator
From Guggenheim, we have Shar Pourreza. Please go ahead.
Constantine Lednev — Guggenheim Securities — Analyst
Hi. Good morning. It’s actually Constantine Lednev for Shar. Thanks for taking the questions.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Good morning.
Constantine Lednev — Guggenheim Securities — Analyst
Good morning. A lot of the stuff was already answered and I just wanted to clarify a little bit. When you talk about an appropriate rate relief and kind of going in for these rate cases, are there any kind of broad assumptions that we can think of in terms of the ask that’s going to be put in front of the commission like ROEs, capital structure. Is that staying relatively the same or what’s the plan there?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
I think our requests have historically been consistent there and we wouldn’t anticipate significant movement from that. What we — really the reason for the request, as Kevin mentioned earlier, is the significant capital we have been spending over the last several years and we expect that capital spend to continue as we have needs in our system to maintain the vibrancy of the system. So, we are going to have to file rate cases consistently there and I don’t — we are not looking I don’t think Kevin is a perspective of changing significantly are ask for return or capital.
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
Yes, this is Kevin. I would expect that to be pretty consistent with past practices. All about capital that’s been spent and recovering that.
Constantine Lednev — Guggenheim Securities — Analyst
OK. Yes, and you have guided on rate base. One other kind of small nuance, I think, in the prepared remarks, you mentioned a structural lag and roughly 100 basis points or is that expected to be the 90 [Inaudible]
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
So 90 basis points was — what we refer to is structural and 105 basis points in ’19 was a regulatory timing lag.
Constantine Lednev — Guggenheim Securities — Analyst
Yes, OK. Got it. Thank you for clarifying that.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you. You’re welcome.
Constantine Lednev — Guggenheim Securities — Analyst
That’s it for me. Thanks.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you.
Operator
From Avon Capital, we have Vedula Murti. Please go ahead.
Vedula Murti — Avon Capital — Analyst
Good morning.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Hi, Vedula.
Vedula Murti — Avon Capital — Analyst
Hi. I’m good. When we take a look at the, again, same old topic, I guess, the Avista Utilities to use, excluding the $1. Your guidance is $1.71 to $1.85.
When we think about the 9% to 10% growth rate for three years that you’re targeting to normalize your ROE, we should exclude the $0.07 that you anticipate this year from ERM as part of that growth trajectory or do you feel that for some reason that the ERM will be able to be maintained around $0.07 consistently over the forecast period.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
When we’re guiding — when we’re talking about the growth rate, we’re talking about the mid-point of our guidance and we exclude the ERM from that. The ERM is based on power supply right now. We are not filing for power supply cost based on our last commission order in Washington, but that can change as the teams work on things. So what we guide to is the mid-point of our guidance excluding the ERM and that growth rate is off the mid-point of our guidance on a consolidated basis.
Vedula Murti — Avon Capital-Analyst
And also kind of a different topic, my understanding is that Westmoreland Coal, who is the coal supplier for [Inaudible] is currently in a bankruptcy proceeding and there is issue potentially about repricing the coal as part of the bankruptcy restructuring for [Inaudible] that could affect obviously fuel tariffs, so that type of thing. I’m just wondering can you explain me or update me on kind of where that stands and what it may or may not mean for you guys?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Well, that’s an ongoing — I mean, their bankruptcy is their bankruptcy. You’re correct. They are in bankruptcy and that’s an ongoing negotiation between the parties and we don’t really comment on that until we have something to comment on. So to the extent something comes out and if it impacts us and then we’ll put out future guides on that.
Right now we are expecting that we have a contract that we will continue to supply coal to that plant and we will operate until we know differently.
Vedula Murti — Avon Capital — Analyst
If for some reason, the resolution of the bankruptcy results in a higher coal contract price, what would be the mechanism to deal — would that simply be not a regulatory filing or is there — are there some other ways or it can’t be handled?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Well it goes, I mean, our supply cost, it would run through our power supply costs and that runs through the energy recovery mechanism, the ERM. And then to the extent our base power supply cost changed enough, we may have to — we would have to consider as part of a general rate filing, filings for that. But that’s all part of a normal filing that runs through the ERM and I don’t know what the resolution of this will be. And when we know more and have more color, we will provide information to the market.
Vedula Murti — Avon Capital-Analyst
So if — so basically if coal prices were to actually at the peak lower as consequence this then that will go through the fuel tariff and would be a net benefit under the current ERM? And if resolution and emergence resulted in higher coal contract pricing that again will go to the ERM and would kind of cut the other way?
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Yes.
Vedula Murti — Avon Capital — Analyst
OK. Thank you very much.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Vedula
Operator
[Operator instructions] And we do have a follow up from Paul Ridzon. Please go ahead.
Paul Ridzon — Paul Ridzon
When you file in Washington, do you anticipate bringing up a multi-year replan again or kind of what’s the strategy there?
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
Kevin again. No, due to court order in our 2015 GRC, it doesn’t look like it will be feasible to file a multi-year rate plan this time around. So we’ll file one, test how it goes and then go from there.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
And then the comment was you look to have rates in place for early 2020. Are you going to ask the commissions to do anything extraordinary as far as regular timing of rate cases to make that happen?
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
No.
Paul Ridzon — Paul Ridzon
OK. So you should be filing in fairly short order, I would assume, is that fair?
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
That’s a fair statement.
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
OK. Thank you again.
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Paul.
Operator
[Operator instructions]
Scott Morris — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
That seems to be all of our questions, so I would like to thank everyone for joining us today. We certainly appreciate your interest in our company. Have a great day.
Operator
[Operator signoff]
Duration: 32 minutes
Call Participants:
Jason Lang — Manager of Investor Relations
Scott Morris — Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Andrew Levi — ExodusPoint — Analyst
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
Paul Ridzon — KeyBanc Capital Markets — Analyst
Mark Thies — Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Paul Ridzon — Paul Ridzon
Paul Patterson — Glenrock Associates — Analyst
Kevin Christie — Vice President External Affairs and Chief Customer Officer
Constantine Lednev — Guggenheim Securities — Analyst
Vedula Murti — Avon Capital — Analyst
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